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  • You don't need to reject utility aggregation to choose dust specks over torture, just linear aggregation. For example, if N people losing U utilons each aggregates to U*N/(1+N/C) for some large C you get normal answers for small numbers but no amount of specks is as bad as something C times worse than a single speck.
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    theunitofcaring:

    Does this actually seem true to you? If I tell you “I’m torturing an animal in my apartment,” do you go “well, if there are no other animals being tortured anywhere in the world, then that’s really terrible! But there are some, so it’s probably not as terrible. Let me go check how many animals are being tortured.”

    (a minute later)

    “Oh, like ten billion. In that case you’re not doing anything morally bad, carry on.”

    I can’t see why a person’s suffering would be less morally significant depending on how many other people are suffering. And as a general principle, arbitrarily bounding variables because you’re distressed by their behavior at the limits seems risky.  

    Without linear aggregation it becomes impossible to make moral decisions in an isolated corner of the universe without, like, trying to find out how big the rest of it is first. Linear aggregation says, if the universe has two halves, and there’s no way for them to interact, and people take some actions in one of them that would be moral if that half was the whole universe, and some other people do the same in the the other half, then all those actions, considered in aggregate, are still moral.

    Source: theunitofcaring
    • April 23, 2015 (11:56 pm)
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      Without linear aggregation it becomes impossible to make moral decisions in an isolated corner of the universe without,...
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    9. warpedellipsis said: because if other people are doing it, it must not be that bad. also the quantity shift from none to some feels a lot bigger than some to some + one more. woo, psychology.
    10. sonatagreen reblogged this from blashimov and added:
      See also: the bee-sting theory of the psychology of poverty; the bottomless pit of altruism. Relatively few people would...
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      It’s not enough to reject linear aggregation, you’d need to reject any unboundedly increasing aggregation. If your...
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      This *does* seem intuitively true - like I almost imagine something similar for subconscious acclimatization or...
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    17. prophecyformula said: “as a general principle, arbitrarily bounding variables because you’re distressed by their behavior at the limits seems risky.” something very like this works for physicists!
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